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Kat [00:00:34]:
And here we go.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:37]:
Are we going already?

Kat [00:00:39]:
I think we are.

Kat [00:00:39]:
All right.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:40]:
It's the box of oddities. Welcome back. We're excited because we're going to Ecuador in a couple of days.

Kat [00:00:47]:
There's a museum that I'm super excited to go to. Or I guess. Yeah, it's like an extreme art museum.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:54]:
Yeah. You wanna tell me a little bit about that? What is the deal with that?

Kat [00:00:58]:
I don't know exactly. All I know is that it looks to be kind of dark, kind of fringe art kind of stuff, and it looks like something I would dig.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:09]:
One thing I'm not looking forward to traveling is I'm gonna miss the puppies.

Kat [00:01:12]:
Oh, gosh, yes.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:14]:
Last time we went on a long trip, we were just.

Kat [00:01:16]:
We had to Skype with the dogs. Thank you to our dog sitter Amber, for doing that with us and not mocking us mercilessly for being like, we miss you puppies.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:28]:
I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about that and I reached over to kiss Willie and apparently he was facing the wrong way. Kissed him right on the butt.

Kat [00:01:36]:
Right. Got the rusty sheriff's badge.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:38]:
Yep. And he puckered up and kissed back.

Kat [00:01:42]:
Oh, that's nice.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:42]:
This is the weird thing.

Kat [00:01:43]:
He always will.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:44]:
Right in the rusty sheriff's badge.

Kat [00:01:47]:
Gross.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:48]:
All right, it's your turn to go first.

Kat [00:01:50]:
Okay. This is a topic I'm very excited about. I've been researching this for a bit and I'm actually a little nervous about it. I don't want to mess this up because there's so much information and I think it's worth doing right. And you know, I so rarely do that. So, yeah, I'm just. Let's just see how it goes, I guess. In January of 1959, 23 year old Igor Dyatlov led a group of eight young Soviet hikers, seven men, two women, and they're mostly university students, into the Ural Mountains, attempting to reach Mount Ortartin.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:32]:
Ortartin.

Kat [00:02:34]:
Ortortin. From a small settlement nearby. Today we're going to be talking about the Dyatlov Pass incident. You may have heard of it.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:46]:
Is this about cannibalism?

Kat [00:02:48]:
No.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:48]:
Oh, I'm thinking of Donner Pass.

Kat [00:02:50]:
Right. There are a lot of passes that have Been problems in history.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:54]:
Okay.

Kat [00:02:54]:
If you're invited on a trek that involves the word pass.

Kat [00:02:58]:
Pass.

Kat [00:02:58]:
Pass. You say no. It says it right in there.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:01]:
That's why they call it pass.

Kat [00:03:02]:
Yes, I'll pass. Hard pass. I'm good. I'm going to stay home, watch reruns if it's always sunny. So, okay. Of the party of skiers, nine perished in the middle of a high difficulty trek in conditions that reached 30 below zero. That's Celsius. By the details, which are mostly based on diaries of those involved as well as records from Soviet investigators, we find that on the night of February 2, 1959, members of the party apparently ripped their tent open from the inside and wandered into the tundra wearing nothing but what they wore to bed. What? And it took more than three months to locate all nine of their bodies.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:48]:
That's weird. That is really weird. So apparently, they'd gone to bed for the evening, and at some point, something motivated them to tear their way out of the tent and wander off. In their underpants.

Kat [00:03:58]:
Yes.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:59]:
On the tundra. Yes, in their tundra pants.

Kat [00:04:02]:
Tundra pants. I don't know why, but that sounds really marketable.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:07]:
It does.

Kat [00:04:09]:
I'm making a note of it.

Kat [00:04:10]:
Amazon.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:11]:
Say tundra pants.

Kat [00:04:13]:
Tundra pants.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:14]:
Mm.

Kat [00:04:15]:
All right. Okay. So we've discussed tenting and cold weather.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:20]:
Yeah.

Kat [00:04:20]:
And dead bodies and underpants, Right? Yes. Okay.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:23]:
Tender pants.

Kat [00:04:24]:
So the first two bodies were found at a tree line under a giant pine tree. This tree line's about a mile away from where they had tented. Investigators wrote that footprints disappeared about a third of the way there, but they assumed that's because it had taken three weeks for them to find these bodies. And so the footprints, though kind of mistaken, mysterious, pretty easily explained. The two bodies were found wearing only their underwear, and both were barefoot. According to reports, branches were broken high up in a tree nearby, which suggested someone had tried to climb that tree. And remains of a fire lay nearby. Three more bodies, including Igor Dyatlov's, were found at points between the camp and where those other bodies had been found. That tree that we had talked about. And apparently lay as if they had been headed back to the camp tent. Multiple tents actually cut out of with a knife. People had made their way toward a tree line.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:05:26]:
In their underpants.

Kat [00:05:27]:
In their underpants. The thing that we don't know is the speed at which they had taken out. I mean, we know that if you're cutting your way out of a tent, it sounds as though you're trying to do it quickly. You're trying to get out quickly, sure. But there was no other evidence that said that they were hurrying or that they were running through the snow.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:05:49]:
What was the condition of the bodies?

Kat [00:05:51]:
Here we go. Two months passed until the remaining four bodies were found buried under a dozen feet of snow in a gully a few hundred feet downslope from that big tree that we talked about. All four heads suffered traumatic deaths, despite there being no outward appearance of trauma. One, Nicholas Thibodeau, Brign Brignolo had a fractured skull. Alexander Zolotoryov was found with crushed ribs. And Lyudmila Dubnina had broken ribs as well as was missing her tongue. These people were found about six miles away from their destination in a forest almost a mile away from their campsite. Without their skis, shoes, coats. It was approximately 30 degrees below zero. Two of them had fractured skulls, as I said. Two more had major chest fractures. One hiker missing her tongue. And although there are all of these internal injuries, none of them had external injuries, except for one who had a small cut on his skull.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:59]:
Wow.

Kat [00:07:00]:
There were eight or nine sets of footprints in the snow, accounting only for the skiers and not suggesting another party's involvement. There was no sign of a struggle. Other, like any other animal or human had been involved. I'm sorry. There was a snowstorm the night of February 2, which was determined to be the night that they died. That's according to their diaries. That's what they were able to tell from what was written. So they had encountered some bad weather, but progress was okay, a little slower than they'd expected, but everyone seemed to be in really high spirits.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:07:37]:
According to, like, the diary entries, there was nothing. Hey, we're dying. Help us.

Kat [00:07:41]:
Exactly.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:07:41]:
Nothing like that. Okay.

Kat [00:07:42]:
After the first five bodies were found, a legal inquest began eventually determining that the cause of death was hypothermia. And some of the deaths did seem pretty straightforward. But the case was closed really quickly, and that led to a lot of speculation. Everyone was concerned about why certain aspects of their injuries weren't investigated. The skier's badly damaged tent, it was determined, had been cut open from the inside. All of the stuff was still inside. They didn't take clothes to protect themselves from this obviously horrible weather that they were trapped in.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:08:22]:
So they were either one of two things. They went mad all at the same time, or clearly they were trying to escape something that terrified them.

Kat [00:08:32]:
And most baffling of all, or maybe not most baffling, but pretty baffling, was that the skier's clothing was found to contain significant levels of radiation. Almost all of what we've discussed so far has come from Atlas Obscura. This I got from Snopes. It was reported that eyewitnesses in the northern Ural Mountains saw fast moving balls of fire in the night sky. Are we getting into something you're really enjoying now?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:00]:
Ancient alien theorists say yes.

Kat [00:09:05]:
So here we encounter the earliest paranormal explanation of the incident. The theory was proposed 31 years after the fact, though the reports of balls of fire in the sky were from that time period. Aliens weren't proposed as a theory until much later.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:26]:
Well, it was 1959. You know, the. The UFO craze was really at a peak, but perhaps it was still too early on for people just to assume that that was the case.

Kat [00:09:37]:
Maybe.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:38]:
Clearly, that's what it was.

Kat [00:09:40]:
There's also a hypothesis that was proposed in a June 2014 Discovery Channel documentary called Russian Yeti the Killer Lives.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:50]:
But he would have left footprints.

Kat [00:09:52]:
You don't know that. You don't know about Yeti. Yeti maybe got skills that you don't know about. Yeti knows what's up.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:58]:
Well, as I've said before, I have read hypothesis, hypothesi, multiple hypotheses that suggest that perhaps Bigfoot and or Yeti are interdimensional beings.

Kat [00:10:10]:
Right. Meaning they wouldn't leave footprints.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:13]:
Right.

Kat [00:10:13]:
They're just.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:14]:
They just what? They do.

Kat [00:10:15]:
They just find a soft spot between the dimensions.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:17]:
They do. And they a la fringe, and they grab. Yes. Thank you, Fringe. By the way, great show.

Kat [00:10:22]:
Great show.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:23]:
Love that show. I wish they'd bring it back. Yeah. Bigfoot reaches through the portal, grabs their prey.

Kat [00:10:30]:
Sure.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:32]:
Breaks them into pieces, and then throws them back out again. Maybe that's what happened. Ancient aliens theorists.

Kat [00:10:38]:
Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:40]:
No.

Kat [00:10:42]:
This show, by the way, presented a picture taken by one of the members it was found on the film discovered. They present this picture as evidence. It clearly shows a man in the woods, and they're like, yeti. It's not a yeti. It's like, it's a dude.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:59]:
It's just a dude.

Kat [00:11:00]:
It's just a dude.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:01]:
It's interesting that in a recent documentary I saw about crop circles, they have reported balls of light over the field right before the crop circles appear.

Kat [00:11:12]:
Now is the ball of light what brings Yeti down to the tractor to make the.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:20]:
I'm not saying Bigfoot creates crop circles.

Kat [00:11:22]:
No, no.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:23]:
That's just crazy. Clearly, it's UFOs.

Kat [00:11:28]:
Another hypothesis says that the skiers may have been driven to hysteria by infrasound waves caused by a weather phenomenon known as the Karman Vortex Street. In simplest terms, Karman Vortex street is an oscillating pattern that emerges when a fluid or gas, in this instance wind, flows around a suitably shaped object, in this instance the mountain. And when they occur on such a large scale, these wind patterns can theoretically generate a low frequency sound that can mess with your head. It can cause nausea and irrational anger and hearing loss. Sure.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:12:12]:
I've heard that this is kind of what they said. Some people have said happened at the US Embassy in Cuba. Ah, some sort of audio.

Kat [00:12:21]:
Sure.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:12:22]:
Weaponry. High tech audio weaponry.

Kat [00:12:25]:
So the, the theory here is that this sound led them to kind of freak out and just take off.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:12:33]:
Interesting.

Kat [00:12:34]:
Another theory, I mean, you're talking about the mountains of Russia. That kind of makes sense, is avalanche people highly aware, they're all experienced hikers, highly aware of the dangers of avalanche, Might hear something, sense something, think an avalanche is coming and then just bust out.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:12:58]:
Yeah. Take off, climb a tree. Try to climb a tree.

Kat [00:13:00]:
Climb a tree. Avalanche kills approximately 150 skiers, snowmobilers and snowboarders worldwide every year. If there had been a snow incident, it would explain some of the internal injuries without external injuries. That makes sense because you would have been crushed and rather significantly. So maybe there was some sort of snow incident. The hikers still made their way out of it and later died from exposure and such.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:31]:
Okay, well, that kind of makes sense.

Kat [00:13:33]:
However, those in the know about those mountains specifically and, and according to those who set out on this trek, avalanche was very unlikely in that area. It's possible, but not terribly likely. More or less likely than Yeti. I will leave that up to you. There are so many websites that claim to have solved the incident because there are a lot of what you might call red herrings. There's the radioactive material on the clothing, and some explained that away by the lanterns that they were using. They're some sort of material inside that you have to switch in order to be able to keep flame going. And though that carries some sort of radioactive bits. Another red herring would be like the missing tongue. People explain that away by, you know, scavengers. You find a dead body, you start eating its bits.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:37]:
Would it be possible if, because this was one of the bodies that was 12ft under the snow that was missing the tongue. Right. Is it possible that maybe she bit her tongue off and swallowed it?

Kat [00:14:47]:
There's no evidence of that. I mean, I can't say that it's not possible, but that's not Given as one of the hypothesi hypothesis aside, there are several pictures that you can find on the infowebs of the team. And they do all seem like they're really getting along well. They're hugging, they're smiling, they're in a really good place. I mean, they're all dead really soon after these photos are taken. So it's a little unsettling, but the idea that maybe there had been a fight started, which is a hypothesis that I don't get on board with at all. But it's just. It is still an unsolved mystery after.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:34]:
All these years, after all the stops and stops. No, that's not his own.

Kat [00:15:40]:
Back to these two yeti.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:44]:
That was horrible.

Kat [00:15:45]:
That was awful.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:46]:
It was really bad.

Kat [00:15:46]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. And it reminds me, do you remember that movie that I watched that time that you weren't at the house and.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:53]:
Then I called you? Yes.

Kat [00:15:55]:
And I called you and I was like, you have to come home.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:58]:
Yeah. That was based on a true story.

Kat [00:16:00]:
Yeah. It's a very similar kind of idea. Just people take off and you don't know why, and then horrible things happen. And that movie not related to this incident, particularly though there is a movie based on this incident. It's called Devil's Pass.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:14]:
Oh, I've heard of that.

Kat [00:16:15]:
Yes. It was on our queue for like three years and we never watched it.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:20]:
Okay, well, watching it.

Kat [00:16:21]:
So we should watch it now when.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:22]:
We go back in the house.

Kat [00:16:23]:
Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:23]:
Because we're out in our RV right now in our mobile RV. Most RVs are our mobile studio in our RV. Let's just not even talk about that. Cut that right out.

Kat [00:16:34]:
As I said, there's so much and there's so many hypotheses.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:40]:
Hypothomases. That is fascinating. The idea that it's been nearly 60 years now and nobody has solved it.

Kat [00:16:49]:
Right. Though many people claim to have.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:51]:
Yeah. But the closest I can come to making any sense of it is the avalanche hypothesis.

Kat [00:16:57]:
Really?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:58]:
That. That to me, okay. They cut out of the tent. They heard something. They cut the tent open, they ran away. Some of them got up into a tree or tried to others maybe there was a small avalanche at the time that caused, you know, some of the people to be buried, but the other ones tried to climb a tree and fell. And then some other people were, after a while walking back to the camp and just were overcome. They succumbed to the cold weather. That's what I think.

Kat [00:17:29]:
I think it's a good theory and kind of like The. The low frequency sound waves. I like that theory as well, that it kind of drove them mad. They didn't know that it was happening, freaked out and took off.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:43]:
That's far more interesting than an avalanche, I'll give you that.

Kat [00:17:46]:
Well, I just feel like if. If you thought that an avalanche was happening, I don't know, maybe it was.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:52]:
The low frequency sound and they thought it was an avalanche.

Kat [00:17:55]:
Ooh. Oo.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:59]:
Is it possible? Ancient alien theorists say yes. Can I have some of your iced tea? Thanks. That is. I'm gonna be lying in bed tonight thinking about that, trying to figure that out in my head.

Kat [00:18:13]:
Oh, good. I'm always wondering what you're thinking about over there.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:16]:
Usually it's me trying to avoid kissing the dog's butt.

Kat [00:18:19]:
That's good. Yeah, that's good.

Kat [00:18:21]:
The box of oddities with Cat and Jethro Gilligan Toth.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:26]:
Time for that thing in the middle.

Kat [00:18:27]:
Tinder profiles. What not to do.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:30]:
These are real Tinder profiles that missed the mark. Five, Yoshi, 30, writes, let's sauce in the tub together. You dig? Splishy, splashy. Giggle, giggle. And he's a overweight, balding middleman who has taken a selfie of himself submerged in the water in his tub.

Kat [00:18:49]:
A middleman? Like middle management? Yeah, probably.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:53]:
Miserable middle aged man.

Kat [00:18:57]:
Oh, I see.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:58]:
Sorry. Sorry. Yeah.

Kat [00:18:59]:
Number four, Annabelle, 24. Her profile, pictures of her mugshot. She says, shit, I'd date me.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:10]:
Number three, Ahmad, 21. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. Or you take the red pill. Stay in wonderland and I show you how deep your butthole goes. Nofatties.

Kat [00:19:29]:
Number two, Ricky. He's 18 and not picky about Ricky. I love horror movies and heavy metal. I don't give a damn what you look like. I'm not the best looking.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:41]:
Way to sell yourself, Ricky. And number one, Brandon, 26. My parents gave me a boy's name, but I'm a girl. I can fit an entire apple in my mouth. So what else do you need to know? Oh, and my favorite letter is D. There's a picture of her here.

Kat [00:19:57]:
She's got an apple in her mouth.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:59]:
Yeah, and she's hanging from a tree limb.

Kat [00:20:01]:
Swipe right.

Kat [00:20:03]:
The box of oddities. It's not for everyone.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:07]:
Okay, my topic today comes from a listener. A suggestion from. From one of our freaks. Mary from West Virginia sent us a message. It said hello. My husband and I listen to your podcast every week. Absolutely love listening to y'all. I don't know if you take requests, but I was scrolling through Facebook and I saw something about, quote, coffin births. Supposedly you can give birth post mortem. She Sundays. We have five kids under eight. So I thought I knew pretty much all there is about giving birth. I'll bet you do, but apparently not. Would be really interesting to see what you can dig up on that. So I did Mary. And coffin birth is a real thing. People think it's a legend. They think it's like an urban legend, like bodies giving birth after they're dead. But no, it's. It's a real thing. And coffin birth is kind of a cool, morbid name for it, but the official term for it is postmortem fetal extrusion.

Kat [00:21:08]:
That sounds horrible, but so does, like, regular childbirth, so. Okay, go ahead.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:21:15]:
It may not be exactly what you think it is. Okay.

Kat [00:21:19]:
I hope not.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:21:21]:
But it is pretty close. There have been cases where, like, for example, a few years ago, this was just like a year, year and a half ago, a woman had been diagnosed as clinically brain dead. She was pregnant with twins. She was clinically brain dead for 123 days and then gave birth to twins, a boy and a girl, who were born completely healthy.

Kat [00:21:44]:
Oh, wow.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:21:44]:
The birth was considered a miracle by many. And it does go to show that clinical death is not always certain for even the most complicated of pregnancies. It is possible for a woman to be clinically dead. Brain dead, essentially.

Kat [00:22:01]:
Sure.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:02]:
But give birth months after she's been declared clinically brain dead?

Kat [00:22:06]:
Yeah, hopefully not more than nine months.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:08]:
In this case, four months, 123 days. And obviously she was on life support. But what Mary from West Virginia is talking about is more of an historical thing that for hundreds of years there have been cases reported where archaeologists would dig up a grave, an older grave, and find the skeletal remains of a woman with the skeletal remains of a fetus or infant in the position that it would be in if it was being birthed.

Kat [00:22:43]:
Oh.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:44]:
Now, could it be that the child and the mother died together and were buried together? Yes, but that's kind of an odd position.

Kat [00:22:49]:
Could it be?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:50]:
Could it be. It's kind of an odd position to put it.

Kat [00:22:53]:
Oh, for sure, yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:54]:
A child.

Kat [00:22:55]:
It's creepy.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:56]:
You go back a couple hundred years. There are written records of this being discovered. One 17th century text has the following quote about a woman who was found to have delivered after death. And this comes from rancor April. Ye20 quote, April 20, 1650, was buried Emmy, the wife of Thomas Top Place, who was found delivered of a child after she had been lain two hours in the grave. I don't know what accent that is.

Kat [00:23:24]:
I didn't understand anything you just said.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:23:26]:
All right, it says April 20, 1650, was buried Emmy, the wife of Thomas Toplace, who was found delivered of a child after she had lain two hours in the grave.

Kat [00:23:39]:
Okay, so she died and then they had buried her, and two hours after they buried her, she had a baby.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:23:48]:
Well, I think what they're saying is in the grave is just a term that she had been dead for two hours.

Kat [00:23:55]:
Oh, I see.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:23:56]:
And she gave birth. Not to a live baby. The infant was dead. Oh, another report comes the same century describing a woman who had a baby, quote, hanging between her thighs three days after death. And those are just a couple of numerous historical references to it.

Kat [00:24:16]:
Right. Okay.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:24:18]:
Now it has happened in recent times as well. Not so much to bodies who have been buried, but people who have been found dead. The reason, of course, you know, now we embalm bodies, and so that pretty much snuffs out any chance of anything like that happening. I found this article on the national institute of health.gov website pubmed.gov post mortem Fetal extrusion in a case of maternal heroin intoxication. Here's the abstract. A 34 year old heroin addict in the 8th month of pregnancy was found dead in her apartment, the head of the fetus. Let me just warn you right now, this is a very graphic and gross description, okay? It's a medical description of what they discovered.

Kat [00:25:08]:
So if you are faint of heart or are enjoying your breakfast cereal, maybe skip right ahead. Shoop, shoop, shoop, shoop, shoop. Hit that 15 seconds little half circle with the arrow thing.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:25:22]:
But we know you won't. We know you won't. The head of the fetus was partly protruding from underneath the woman's slip. At the time of autopsy, the body was in a state of advanced putrefaction with greenish discoloration of almost the complete body surface showing pronounced marbling. And in addition, now not only the head, but also the upper part of the chest of the dead fetus was extruding from the birth canal with head presentation. Autopsy showed no signs of external violence prior to death. In particular, no indication of preceding manipulations in the region of the obstetrical canal and the uterus could be detected. The uterine cavity showed pronounced putrefaction alterations and the amniotic membrane being partially raised and bloated in a balloon like fashion. So essentially they're describing how this happens. I don't get this horrified look on your face. I know. It's disgusting. It's really gross.

Kat [00:26:21]:
Well, I mean, I do have a lot of questions. Mainly, who wears a slip anymore?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:26:28]:
Yeah, that's. Yeah. Well, the official medical report goes on to say the immature neonate showed no signs of live birth pathogenetically. The finding of not only the head but also the upper part of the chest of the fetus extruding from the birth canal at the time of the autopsy is consistent with postmortem fetal extrusion caused by putritive gas pressure against the pregnant uterus, as reported in the earlier German forensic pathological literature. So there's your explanation for it. The body, when it starts to decompose, gases build up. We've heard stories about, you know, bodies actually exploding.

Kat [00:27:04]:
Right. Mostly farting, but sometimes exploding.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:27:06]:
Sometimes exploding. In this case or in these cases, the gas builds up and it pushes the fetus out, and it makes it appear as though the infant or the fetus has been born. And so when people 100 years ago or whatever, hundreds of years ago were digging up these bodies, of course they thought, well, a she was buried alive, or two, she was dead, but the baby wasn't and had been born and then died in the coffin. Hence the term coffin birth. Now, I know you've got questions. Go.

Kat [00:27:42]:
Now, I do have a question. When you were working on this earlier, you started chuckling, and I can't think of anything that you've just talked about that makes me feel like, ha, ha ha ha ha ha. Sir.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:27:59]:
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. After reading Mary's Facebook message, I Googled coffin birth, sure. But I, you know, I was doing it on my phone, and my thumbs are fat, and so I mistakenly googled coffin broth. And that's a whole different topic, one that I don't want to get into right now.

Kat [00:28:20]:
Oh.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:21]:
Because if you think that my description of that heroin addict was gross.

Kat [00:28:26]:
Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:27]:
Just go ahead and Google coffin broth. Go ahead.

Kat [00:28:30]:
There's so many options that that could be like, is it because of the. Or like some.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:37]:
Yeah. Also Google disco rice. You won't like that either.

Kat [00:28:41]:
Disco rice.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:42]:
Yeah. It's like a term that morticians use.

Kat [00:28:45]:
Oh, it's maggots. It's maggots, isn't it?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:47]:
I think it's maggots.

Kat [00:28:47]:
It's maggots.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:48]:
Yeah. So, yes, Mary, there is coffin birth.

Kat [00:28:51]:
And coffin broth, but.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:28:53]:
But it's not what we would immediately think, right? It is. It is real. It does happen. Rarely now because of course, the putrefaction process is slowed down to the point where it doesn't. The gases don't build up and force the fetus out of the body. But it has happened. It does happen. And I'm happy to report that.

Kat [00:29:12]:
Mary, I thank you for your partaking in, in our, in our fun times. Also. Gross.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:29:25]:
Thanks for joining us for another rousing round of the Box of Oddities. We do appreciate your company.

Kat [00:29:30]:
If you've got suggestions or if you'd like to find out more about a story and have it poorly told to you by us, we're more than happy to do that. Send us an email at curator@the boxofoddities.com.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:29:44]:
The boxofoddities.com is our website. We look forward to seeing you next week.

Kat [00:29:51]:
Unless we don't.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:29:52]:
We might just get really hammered. But we will try to make it interesting and we'll see you next time on the Box of Oddities.

Kat [00:29:59]:
Keep frying that freak flag. Ooh, that nice dipping sauce. Why can't we talk?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:30:06]:
I don't know.

Kat [00:30:07]:
Keep flying that freak flag.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:30:08]:
Fly it proudly.

Kat [00:30:10]:
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