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Kat [00:00:01]:
What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:06]:
The world is full of stories. Stories of mysteries, of curiosities, of oddities. Join Cat and Jethro Gilligan Toth for the strange, the bizarre, the unexpected, as they lift the lid and cautiously peer ins the Box of Oddities.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:36]:
Welcome back, everybody, to the third episode of the Box of Oddities.

Kat [00:00:40]:
Or not. Welcome back. If this is your first one.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:00:43]:
Yeah, well, if it's your first one, you're listening out of order and that drives us crazy. Please don't do that because you wouldn't know if you were just now jumping in in episode three, you would not know that I am married to a woman who has cannibal DNA.

Kat [00:01:00]:
There's no particular order that you have to listen to these ep, you're fine.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:04]:
But if you want to learn more about why Kat has cannibal DNA she's descended from, don't worry about it. Papua New guinea cannibals.

Kat [00:01:12]:
You're doing fine.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:13]:
We found out. And the ironic thing is we're both vegetarian, which is the only reason I sleep well at night.

Kat [00:01:21]:
You don't sleep well? Liar.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:24]:
I have nightmares. And we're here to share some of them with you on the Box of Oddities. Before we get going, just wanted to say we really appreciate the five star ratings that we've.

Kat [00:01:35]:
Oh, my gosh, we're so excited. And so, I don't know, I don't want to say surprised, but we're, we're very pleased with the response so far and we're loving all of the feedback that we're getting. This is, this is very exciting and we're so glad that you're joining us for this because it's something that we do anyway.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:01:54]:
Yeah, we're just sharing it with you. These are the conversations we have just sitting around on the couch at home, which is pretty much what we're doing anyway. So we just thought we'd push record and send them along. You can visit us at the box. The boxofodddeddities.com also social media.

Kat [00:02:14]:
Right. We're on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. And you should definitely find us because we make a lot of the stories come to life by way of photos on Instagram and links on Facebook and Twitter and such. And so you can follow up if there's anything that you find particularly interesting and want to search a little on your own.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:37]:
All right. I choose a story, a weird story. Cat chooses a weird story. We don't tell each other what we've researched and we just kind of spring it on each other.

Kat [00:02:46]:
So who goes first?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:48]:
Good question. You went first last week.

Kat [00:02:52]:
That's. Did I?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:54]:
Yeah.

Kat [00:02:54]:
Are you sure? Pretty sure.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:02:56]:
But we could spin the big glass blue head that we have here.

Kat [00:03:00]:
Oh, yeah. Okay. That'll work. That'll work. Okay.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:02]:
Where did you get that, by the way?

Kat [00:03:04]:
I don't remember. I don't know. I come across so many things because you know how I love antiques and weird shops. Anything that sells stuff that's different, I will seek out. Oh, no. I got it at a yard sale. I found it at a yard sale and I couldn't believe that nobody had snatched it up yet because it was only like $5.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:26]:
So it's a cobalt blue glass head.

Kat [00:03:29]:
Yeah. Oh, I'll post a picture on Instagram.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:31]:
Okay, there you go. Let's spin it, see who goes first. Oh, so it would be me this week.

Kat [00:03:45]:
How can you tell?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:46]:
Because the nose is pointing right at me.

Kat [00:03:48]:
Oh, is that the. Okay. All right, so go ahead. Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:50]:
Okay. All right. I'm gonna talk about cellular memory. You know what this is? Cellular memory?

Kat [00:03:56]:
I don't think so.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:03:57]:
It's the theory that when a transplant patient receives an organ from another person, then memories and feelings and cravings of the donor are transferred along with the organ.

Kat [00:04:13]:
I've seen so many movies about this, it doesn't end up well.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:04:15]:
Gonna talk about one case specifically. But just to kind of explain what this is and give you a few examples, I came across some information by Dr. Gary Schwartz, PhD and Linda Rusik, PhD. They have written a book, they propose the Universal Living Memory Hypothesis, which basically they believe that all the systems store energy dynamically and the information continues as living and evolving system after the physical structure has been disconnected.

Kat [00:04:51]:
So kind of like in an alien movie where the alien bits go out and do their own hunting, but they all share like a single mind. So they work individually and as a whole.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:05:06]:
Yeah. In fact, an alternate name for this is the Alien Bits Theory. Along with a guy named Paul Pearsall who wrote a book called the Hart's Code, they interviewed, I guess almost 150 heart transplant patients and other organ transplant patients as well. And I'm getting this information from alternate-doctor.com. here are some of the cases that they actually interviewed an 18 year old boy who was pretty talented. He played music, he wrote poetry, he composed songs. He was killed in an automobile accident. And after he died, his parents came across some audiotape of a song that he had written. And the song was called Danny My Heart. Is yours. His heart was donated to a recipient whose name was Danielle, but she was known as Danny.

Kat [00:06:05]:
That's so cool. I mean that would be like proactive cellular memory. Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:12]:
It's a weird coincidence, but it gets stranger. When she met the donor's family, they dug that tape out and they played it for her and she sang along and knew all the words.

Kat [00:06:21]:
What?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:21]:
Yeah.

Kat [00:06:22]:
No.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:22]:
Yes. In another case, a 7 month old boy received a heart from a 16 month old boy who had drowned.

Kat [00:06:29]:
A 16 month old boy?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:31]:
Yeah. The donor had a mild form of cerebral palsy, mostly on the left side. And after the transplant, the recipient started developing paralysis on the left side.

Kat [00:06:40]:
Oh my goodness.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:06:42]:
A 47 year old man received a heart from a young 17 year old boy who was killed in a drive by. After the the operation, he started to develop a newfound love for classical music. And he was into like thrash metal and stuff like that. He started to develop this amazing desire to listen to and learn about classical music. And it was discovered that the transplant donor, when he died, he was coming back from a violin lesson.

Kat [00:07:12]:
Oh.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:07:13]:
And he died clutching his violin case to his chest. Now one could say that's, you know, that's a coincidence. I guess. This is a weird 1. A 27 year old lesbian who had a fast food craving. She. She loved fast food. Received a heart from a 19 year old woman, vegetarian, who was, shall we say, man, crazy. The recipient reported after the operation that meat made her sick and she could no longer go to any fast food restaurants.

Kat [00:07:40]:
Wow.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:07:41]:
And she started to become more attracted to men and less attracted to women. In fact, she became engaged and married a guy.

Kat [00:07:49]:
That's fascinating.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:07:51]:
And a 47 year old man received a heart from a 14 year old girl gymnast who had, I guess apparently had some issues with eating disorders. Shortly after he received the transplant, he could no longer eat large meals. In fact, food started to make him nauseated. And his family noticed that he had a different childlike exuberance about him. And he giggled like a little girl.

Kat [00:08:19]:
Oh my goodness.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:08:21]:
But the case I want to talk about today is about Terry Cottle and Sonny Graham. Terry Cottle was married to a woman whose name was Cheryl. And the relationship was tumultuous at best. She had been married a couple of times before and had some children and had very specific ideas as to how much money he should make and that sort of thing. They got married, but it was a very tense marriage. After a short period of time, like a couple of years, the marriage was on the rocks and Terry had moved out but he decided he was going to give it another try, so he moved back in. But his wife Cheryl said no. You know, they had another big fight. I'm leaving. That's it. I'm done. So he went into the bathroom and put a gun to his head and he shot himself. So his heart was donated. And it was donated to a guy named Sonny Graham. This is in Georgia, where this happened. And so Sonny Graham gets Terry Cottle's heart. He decides that he's going to reach out to the donor's family, which many people do. So he wrote a letter to Cheryl, Terry Cottle's widow.

Kat [00:09:31]:
Right.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:32]:
And they decided they were going to meet. So they met and they fell in love. It was said that when they first looked at each other, when he looked in her eyes, it was like he had known her forever.

Kat [00:09:42]:
Well, yeah, but you'd think that would make him want to run away. She sounds awful.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:48]:
Yeah, well, they got married and they were married for quite a while.

Kat [00:09:54]:
Oh, my goodness.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:55]:
Until they started fighting.

Kat [00:09:57]:
No.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:09:59]:
And this went on for quite some time. Sonny tried to reconcile.

Kat [00:10:03]:
Right.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:04]:
She didn't want to reconcile. So Sonny went out to the utility shed and put a gun to his head.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:09]:
No.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:10]:
And shot himself.

Kat [00:10:12]:
Oh, my God.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:13]:
Two men, one heart. Same wife, same fate.

Kat [00:10:17]:
I mean, have the police investigated her? Because this sounds super sketchy.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:23]:
I know, it does, doesn't it? And they did. And they found no evidence of foul play.

Kat [00:10:30]:
Oh, my gosh.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:31]:
They just chalked it up to a very bizarre experience.

Kat [00:10:35]:
Well, also a horrible wife.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:10:37]:
Well, there's an article that came out a couple of years after this happened in the British Daily Mail, where they interviewed members of both Terry's family and Sonny's family. They said that she drove them to it. According to this article in the Daily Mail, a prison officer, John Johnson, was one of the survi. She got married, like, five times.

Kat [00:11:01]:
Ah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:02]:
And one of the surviving husbands said, she's a tyrant. One day she hates you, the next day she loves you, the next day she hates you again. I guess I'm lucky to be alive.

Kat [00:11:13]:
Wow.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:14]:
Members of their family have said the same thing.

Kat [00:11:16]:
Sounds like she has some sort of personality disorder. We know some people like that. It's fine.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:20]:
Yeah, it happens.

Kat [00:11:21]:
Yeah. It's pretty bad when you can refer to ex husbands as survivors.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:11:27]:
Yeah. That's a scary thought, isn't it? Headlines around the world when this happens. They started talking about, is there a suicide gene? I guess that's a. That's a good question. Of course, they've never found anything to substantiate that. It just really comes down to. Apparently, according to family members and surviving husbands, this woman was just impossible to live with. Now, when she was 27, she had already been married several times. At the time of this writing, she was up to five husbands.

Kat [00:12:03]:
I don't know though. It makes sense that your body would retain your body and then your organs would retain certain feelings. Like, you remember the. The water experiment with the thoughts infused with the water? It was. What the bleep was that? What the bleep?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:12:23]:
Yeah, it was featured in what the bleep? The scientist from Japan who actually did the experiments has a book out, something about water memory. I can't remember the name of it. We'll post it on social media. The idea is that he would take drops of water and he would put them in bottles with words on them like love or hate. The positive loving words, when he froze, the crystals had these beautiful patterns and the ones that were evil or had negative association with them were all disjointed and ugly. And it's really interesting.

Kat [00:13:01]:
And he gave those feelings to the water too, like, didn't he? Every day he spoke over them. Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:09]:
Yeah, he did.

Kat [00:13:09]:
So that's pretty. I mean, why wouldn't. If water retains that, why wouldn't your body bits?

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:17]:
Because we're mostly water, Right? It would make sense, wouldn't it?

Kat [00:13:19]:
Yeah, yeah, certainly would.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:21]:
So mind your thoughts.

Kat [00:13:22]:
Right? And also, don't forget to donate your organs.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:26]:
Yeah, don't forget to donate your organs. But before you do, think good thoughts.

Kat [00:13:30]:
Think good thoughts.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:31]:
Yeah.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:32]:
The box of Odyssey At a frequency so high only your dog can understand.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:43]:
Here are five weird facts.

Kat [00:13:44]:
Really quick, five weird facts about pregnancy. 5. In addition to her uterus, a woman's feet and heart increase in size during pregnancy.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:13:54]:
Sounds uncomfortable.

Kat [00:13:56]:
Number four, pregnant women who suffer with heartburn are more likely to give birth to babies with full heads of hair.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:03]:
That's weird.

Kat [00:14:04]:
Number three, babies can taste the foods their mothers eat in the womb. Two, the longest known pregnancy lasted for a year and 10 days.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:14]:
Ouch.

Kat [00:14:15]:
And number one, nipple stimulation is the only scientific proven method of legitimately bringing on labor.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:22]:
Plus, it's just fun.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:25]:
The Box of Oddities with Cat and Jethro Gilligan Toth.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:14:30]:
So what's your story this week?

Kat [00:14:33]:
Okay, this is something I have been fascinated by for some time and you and I have talked briefly about this. And when I was trying to figure out what I was going to do this week, I kind of just happened upon something that reminded me of this and I immediately knew. I was like, yes, okay, so. Leading to the mass murder and mutilation of Native Americans, throwing ragers that consisted of over 10,000 people and straight up murdering several people in duels. This week, we're gonna talk about the lunatic that became our seventh president, Andrew Jackson.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:15]:
Ooh, yes, he was a lunatic.

Kat [00:15:18]:
He was a nut job.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:19]:
No, I. We do have a fascination with the history of presidents.

Kat [00:15:23]:
We really do.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:23]:
But I don't remember ever discussing the lunacy of Andrew Jackson.

Kat [00:15:27]:
Do you remember the video that I sent you where I was watching a documentary about his various duels, and I was like, he killed a guy. And that was where this all started.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:15:38]:
But those were different times.

Kat [00:15:39]:
They were different times, and it started for him very young. Jackson enlisted with the local militia at the age of 13. He wanted to be a part of the military from a very young age and decided this is how he was going to make it happen. He signed up as a courier in the Revolutionary War, and he was captured by a British commander. And the British commander ordered Andrew to clean his boots. And at 13 years old, he said, no, I'm not doing it. And that enraged the commander, who swung his sword at him and put a large gash on Jackson's head. And you could see the scar in most of the portraits of him.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:26]:
Yeah, on a $20 bill. Yeah, for now.

Kat [00:16:29]:
That's from when he was 13 and he defied a British commander in the Revolutionary War.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:16:36]:
That's crazy. Andrew Jackson had some balls.

Kat [00:16:40]:
They called him balls to the wall, you know, which also balls to the wall. Interesting story that I'm sure we'll talk about sometime. It didn't. He had great ambition and wanted to be a part of things. His family and the people near to him from a very young age said that he was never settled. He was never calm. He never felt like he wanted to be drama free. Like he was big and whirlwind all the time.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:13]:
Do you think that he had a personality disorder, too?

Kat [00:17:15]:
It's very possible.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:16]:
Wow.

Kat [00:17:17]:
So some say that it was over a horse race. Some say that it was because of smack talk toward Jackson's wife. But either way, in May of 1806, Andrew Jackson challenged a man named Charles Dickinson to a duel. Now, this is one of several duels that he was a part of, but this is also the most well known. Jackson knew that Dickinson was considered an expert shot, and after studying some game film, decided that the best strategy would be to let Dickinson fire first.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:51]:
Studying some film, but they didn't have film.

Kat [00:17:54]:
No, not Film. It's game film.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:17:57]:
When I say when I think game film, I think, let's see how Tom Brady did last week.

Kat [00:18:02]:
For the past, it was information that had been documented about how Charles Dickinson dueled.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:08]:
Okay, so. And they called it game film.

Kat [00:18:10]:
Yes.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:11]:
F I L, M. Yes. Interesting.

Kat [00:18:14]:
In the day, in 1806, they didn't call it game film.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:18]:
Okay. That's what you called him.

Kat [00:18:20]:
Yes.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:21]:
Okay. All right. Okay. You lost me.

Kat [00:18:24]:
I'm sorry.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:24]:
It's not the first time I'm easily lost.

Kat [00:18:27]:
So he did some research about how Charles Dickinson dueled, not watching movies about it.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:18:33]:
Okay. All right.

Kat [00:18:34]:
And. Oh, lordy. He decided that the best strategy would be to let Dickinson fire first, which isn't just nuts. He was like, oh, I'm just gonna go ahead. Let him. Let him draw. Let him fire first. Wow. Because he hoped that he would, in his haste, miss. And that way, Jackson would have as much time as he needed to aim. Dickinson, though, did not miss. He did hit Jackson in the chest. But Jackson was fueled off of whiskey and rage, apparently, and managed to calmly aim his gun and hit Dickinson in his own chest, who later died of his wound. Jackson was quoted as saying, if he had shot me through the brain, sir, I still should have killed him.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:22]:
That's amazing. So he sustained a chest wound.

Kat [00:19:25]:
Correct.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:25]:
And this was 1806. And of course, during that time, they had very little knowledge of surgery or antiseptics or they had no knowledge of that.

Kat [00:19:40]:
Right.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:19:40]:
And usually the way that they would just operate on people with chest wounds is they just stick their fingers in there. They're dirty, feces covered, fingers in someone's bullet hole and fish around inside and hope that they could just find it with their fingers and pull it out.

Kat [00:19:57]:
Right. And then they would just cauterize it. All right, well, all you germs and stuff can just stay in there forever.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:04]:
I was reading recently, too, that during that period, specifically a little bit later, the Civil War, they thought that pus was a good thing. They thought pus was the sign of the body healing itself.

Kat [00:20:18]:
Oh, no.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:19]:
And so they would leave it all in there. They wouldn't clean it out.

Kat [00:20:22]:
Pus is the grossest.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:23]:
It's so gross.

Kat [00:20:24]:
It's a horrible word. Let's stop saying it immediately.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:27]:
That's another thing. There are certain words Kat doesn't like.

Kat [00:20:30]:
I mean, that's not unusual. Everyone has words that they don't like.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:33]:
You don't like the word moist.

Kat [00:20:36]:
That is a very common word not to like, whatever. Anyway, so it's Reported that before ever becoming president, Jackson fought in 103 duels.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:48]:
103 duels.

Kat [00:20:51]:
That is the word.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:53]:
Every duel had shots fired.

Kat [00:20:56]:
That's correct.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:20:57]:
Holy crap.

Kat [00:20:58]:
But that is an estimate. We have no way of knowing exactly how many duels he took part in. But it is said that he kept 37 pistols ready to use in duels at all times. He had them already all time on him. I don't know, like weird adornments. Yeah, I don't know exactly.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:21:18]:
Do you like my earrings? They're pistols.

Kat [00:21:21]:
They're pistols. So as you know, Andrew Jackson has a horrible history when it comes to Native Americans. And we could go, we could launch into that for a really long time. All of the things that went down between Jackson and the Native Americans. However, we will just touch upon this. He did adopt a Native American baby. And there are defenders who say, look at this, isn't he good for adopting a Native American baby? But it's because he killed that baby's family in the first place. And he had no qualms about targeting peaceful encampments. There were in fact some souvenirs that he would keep of his kills.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:16]:
No body parts.

Kat [00:22:18]:
Body parts. Scalps. And noses.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:21]:
Noses.

Kat [00:22:22]:
And at one point, the soldiers in one massacre ended up with 557 noses.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:29]:
So he adopts the child of a family that he butchered.

Kat [00:22:34]:
Right.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:35]:
And he keeps their scalps and noses. What did he do with them? Make a little like some sort of a morbid crib mobile for the child. You know like little noses hanging down. And he can count while he drifts off to some sort of a dark hellish nightmare.

Kat [00:22:51]:
I don't know that he was very crafty, so I don't know that that's the rope.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:22:55]:
Andrew Jackson was crafty.

Kat [00:22:58]:
So after very hard fought campaign when he was elected president, he was ready to celebrate his inauguration. Right. And what better than inviting the entire country to party with him at his awesome new mansion. So he got the festivities started when he returned to the White House after the inauguration. And it got a little out of hand with the crowd swelling to over.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:23:23]:
23 who were fueled by whiskey and enthusiasm.

Kat [00:23:29]:
Exactly. They destroyed furniture and china and it got so crazy that Jackson had to escape through a window. And it was only after that they moved barrels of whiskey out onto the front lawn that they were able to get people out.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:23:45]:
It's like a frat house.

Kat [00:23:46]:
It's ridiculous, it's crazy. So they literally took barrels of whiskey, moved it out onto the front lawn. The what's it Called the front lawn of the White House is called the Rose Garden. I don't know what it is.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:24:00]:
I can't remember what's front and what's back.

Kat [00:24:02]:
One of them both.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:24:03]:
They both look like the front to me.

Kat [00:24:05]:
And that's the only way that they were able to get the mob out of the White House. In one incident toward the end of his career in the White House, he decided that one last party was in order. Now, a few years earlier, a dairy farmer had sent the President a wheel of cheese. As a. I appreciate you and I think you're great. President. President Jackson, here's some cheese gift. But the wheel of cheese weighed about 1400 pounds. So after receiving the cheese and coming to terms with the fact that even though he was a formidable opponent, he could not eat that much cheese, even.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:24:48]:
Fueled with whiskey and enthusia, well, he.

Kat [00:24:51]:
Left it sitting in the foyer for anyone to enjoy. A few years later, a massive chunk of cheese still sat there. So he thought as he was getting ready to exit the White House, we'll throw a party and people will eat this cheese. So he had a cheese eating party. About 10,000 people arrived to enjoy the cheese and they did eat it all within two hours. But apparently the smell of cheese could allegedly be smelled several blocks away. One man described it as, and I'm quoting, an evil smelling horror. This is the kind of stuff that went down in the White House. President Martin Van Buren. New President Martin Van Buren had to air the carpet for many days and take away the curtains. They repainted the whole White House in an effort to get rid of the cheese smell and see victory over the cheese.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:25:51]:
Wow.

Kat [00:25:52]:
As I mentioned, there are lots of places where we could expand on any one of these stories. But the general idea is Andrew Jackson was a lunatic. Cheese and whiskey loving lunatic.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:26:05]:
He was who murdered people and made morbid crib mobiles out of their body parts.

Kat [00:26:11]:
There is nothing that supports that theory in my mind.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:26:14]:
That's what I'm thinking though, is that he did that. There's nothing to substantiate it. However, there is nothing to disprove it.

Kat [00:26:21]:
Right. And that's all you need.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:26:23]:
That's all I need. Could it be in some cheese and whiskey? Yes. Could it be? She always makes fun of me. I'll be watching ancient aliens on A and E or something and she'll hear the music playing from the other room and she'll poke her head out of the room and say, could it be. Because they always say that. Could it be that blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they say, ancient alien theorists say, yes, it's a good drinking game. Watch Ancient Aliens. And every time they say, ancient alien theorists say, yes, you take a shot of whiskey. Or a piece of cheese.

Kat [00:26:57]:
Or a piece of cheese. That'll do.

Jethro Gilligan Toth [00:26:59]:
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Kat [00:27:15]:
We love you. Plus, if you haven't read Gerald's Game, do it. I mean.

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